Open thread for discussion and a reminder…
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Here is the the link to the complaining person on Imus Today. It is in PDF Format.
Click to access 2007_MarvaSmithBattle-Bey.pdf
I cannot find the offending reference of episode discussed. Plus what Imus stated on the air was not the one in question.
Thank God. Think I’ll repost this for kicks.
Travel Report:
Well just back from Belize so this, of course, will be way off topic, but interesting at least to me.
So I had to go to a third world country to watch RFDTV. Channel 75 to be exact in our condo in Placencia. Kind of funny to be up early clicking around and there is IITM in Belize as the sun comes up over our Pier and the Sea. Very cool.
It does give me a chance to weigh in on the debate about
TV vs. Radio. IMO, the TV version of IITM does pretty much suck unless you are really a died in the wool Imus fan as most are. I now have to agree with those that think looking at Karith and Tony doing nothing is pretty bad TV, which of course it is. It’s RADIO not TV. End of that story.
Other part of the story which might be of interest is our flight back. Sitting five rows behind us was honest to God Chelsea Clinton and boyfriend. I spent the whole trip trying to figure out who the Secret Service Agents might be.
Anyhow, kind of interesting. Chelsea in person is far more attractive than on TV. Much smaller and petite than what you see and actually pretty damn cute. More later if anyone is interested…………
This is interesting and timely is this about a music tax on the internet but it is also about expression..nuance.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/03/28/a-music-tax-to-bail-out-the-dying-record-industry-hell-no/
Stand-By everyone.
I will have a full synopsis of this complaining person regarding Imus Theatre On the Air as soon as I clear my plate.
Cannot find the offensive episode, and as far as I can tell it was not on 2/13/08 or 03/13/08.
Now it could have been the last one that I didn’t upload to YT.
But more on this nut from the “National Coalition of 100 Black Women” later. My promise.
This will not go unanswered.
More news from The View:
http://www.livebloggingtheview.com/2008/03/28/time-for-the-live-interview-with-barack-obama/
Take note of the FIRST comment at the bottom.
ENJOY!
Hey Bruce, it was the episode about Chelsea being pimped out.
Barack Obama isn’t the only candidate with ties to a controversial religious group:
from Joshua Green at The Atlantic.com
http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/clinton-fellowship.php
College Girl, Bloggin Charles McCord, who might have a career in the 911 phone sex business if this radio -tv thing doesn’t work out 🙂
http://getoffmyphone.blogspot.com/2008/03/325.html
Good article on “The Family” or “The Fellowship”, and other names it goes by…
“Jesus plus nothing:
Undercover among America’s secret theocrats”
BY Jeffrey Sharlet
PUBLISHED March 2003
From Harpers:
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525
TGIF
http://monicamemo.typepad.com/weblog/2008/03/the-lady-does-n.html
Ree…
Now THAT was funny right there…I don’t care what ‘yall say! 🙂
Good Blog by Monica Crowley….
http://www.stereohyped.com/its-a-great-great-day-for-a-select-few-20071203/
KINDA LATE, BUT IF…………….
Well, it remains to be seen by others, because I won’t be watching.
THEN SHUT THE HELL UP.
Posted: Mar 28, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Donald Inks,
Do you like the Linda Richman “coffee talk hostess” from SNL ? I think Mike Myers is hysterical. I love when Madonna was on and Barbara Streisand shows up…Linda was Verklemped.
I do have a Wayne’s World avatar lined up. I just always thought it was funny the way Linda would always say, I am Verklemped and then say, I’ll give you a topic to discuss.
Dieter was pretty funny too…old SNL was pretty good…Deiter now is the time we dance… then whoever was on as his guest, he would order to – touch my monkey.
Reference Harley’s link 11. I replied to this nut too.
Laree, I think you should leave the “verklempt” on a little while longer…I love just about everything Mike Myers does…My husband rolls his eyes over the I-Man (doesn’t get it) but we both rotfl over “Linda Richman,” et al. I squinted a little to make sure it wasn’t Steven Tyler, thought I recognized “Linda,” then saw your post above… lol
Here is a YT of Obama on The View. Essentially Barbara Walters asks Obama why Imus is a pariah and Wright should be judged by his life work. Obama skipped over the question. BW followed up and Obama took another pass | Click Here
Oh sorry, wrong thread (distracted by a text message at that moment)…
Let me just say again for the sake of the new thread, I will not be satisfied with any answer Mr. Obama gives on race issues until he directly addresses the discrepancy in his stances on the I-Man’s mild-mannered remark and Rev. Wright’s vitriolic ravings.
The Barbara Walters Imus question posed to Obama was really well played in context of HRC’s remarks regarding Imus and Wright. Obama took a pass but the question is still out there and will remain so long as the HRC campaign pursues the issue.
Skiwolf, Rural American cable channel RFD carried in Belize but not in Washington DC. So ridiculous, you can’t make it up. When traveling on business I would choose hotels based on availability of MSNBC, no longer necessary.
Regarding Chelsea. Could be adult children of candidates are not provided Secret Service protection. Although Chelsea might be a special case.
What about adult children of former Presidents? When do they stop getting Secret Service?
Hillary slams Obama about Rev. Wright
YouTube | Click Here
Frec Spouses of former Presidents do not even get Secret Service protection. It was a big deal when Hillary was extended Secret Service protection as a US Senator.
It wouldn’t matter to me if Mr. Obama resorted to “I misspoke myself” (in calling for Imus’s firing last year). As long as he does address it directly, and doesn’t dodge it.
Thanks, Chan. Might be a reason why Mrs. Kennedy became Mrs. Onassis. They must feel like sitting ducks.
Here ya go, Frec.
http://www.secretservice.gov/protection.shtml
Someone help me out here. Putting aside Obama and the Right Rev. Wright for a minute. Is there anyone on this planet that does not believe HRC is beyond evil, is the devil and is in fact Satan?
I guess I just don’t get it. Period.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Secret_Service
If you enjoyed the GobShites at Kiss Me I’m Imus, They’re in the rotation here.
http://www.celticlounge.com/radio.aspx
Maybe I don’t understand because I’m not Italian…..
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/justin-mccarthy/2008/03/28/joy-behar-rev-wrights-anti-italian-slurs-compliment
But, I’d be mad as Hell if I were. 😦
Yeah like I said see:
http://www.secretservice.gov/protection.shtml
Now, let’s see, Hobama went on Keith Olbermann, Larry King Live, now The View, so he knows he’s got problems. Larry King in particular is like a rehab center for those who mess up. Has he been on Oprah yet? I don’t believe he has been on FOX. Not too smart with the FOX viewers being more than the CNN and MSNBC combined. I guess he thinks anyone who watches FOX won’t vote for him to start with, but he could be wrong about that.
It is amazing the lengths to which some will go to try to justify Wright’s words.
Thank you, Ski and PT, for those informative links about the Secret Service. As a “history buff” (not to be confused with a historian-in-the-buff), I was especially intrigued with the link to the Secret Service story, beginning in 1865. Succinct overview of “government growth” out of evolution in needs, expectations, and complexity that we are conditioned to demand (and depend upon) from our federal government.
Naturally, my fluid brain (not to be confused with fluid-soaked) leaped to a distant memory of a favorite TV show from childhood, “The Wild Wild West,” the erstwhile 1860s adventures of two “Special Agents,” James West and Artemis Gordon, who were always on assignment from President Garfield to save the nation from enemies foreign and domestic. What a hoot!
Harley,
When Imus came back on the air in Dec didn’t Joy Behar say something really cruddy on Larry King …Al Sharpton was on that segment? I seem to remember Bernie piping up on IITM one morning, in the background saying something about her, they were talking about Jim Cramer rescheduling and Bernie said something like that will be as soon as they put Joy Behar on the cover of Maxium magazine or something like that…I remember when they came back she gave them a shot…I guess that doesn’t count for Rev J Wright, he can say whatever he wants…because that is what her herd tells her. Moo Moo “Moo Moo Land”
Harley,
These things (media hyped events) act like waves, now this one is coming back and beaching LOL Joy Behar beached. Okay I’ll leave it alone. But I don’t for how long 🙂
http://www.keminications.com/2007/12/joy-behar-hosts-larry-king-live-on-don.html
If you get a chance check the comments out….
This is the view’s take on Imus when he was just going to be suspended has Joy Baher changed her mind?
ChannelX,
I commented and directed them to look at the above youtube the: viewette debate imus, let them compare how Imus was treated to how Rev J Wright was treated by Obama. This does not work, whoever said, lets parse, lets use the context argument, lets try moral equation with Obama’s grandmother they are diggin the hole deeper. Ed Koch pointed it out very well.
Digging deeper and deeper.
It is only because Obama wants to be President of the United States any one of us would have heard about Jeremiah Wright. If he didn’t want to be president, it would be none of our business where he went to church.
But he is seeking to be president, thus it is big time relevant.
Harley,
Thanks for the link. I am Italian and I am mad as hell. I am so disappointed in Obama that he would be associated with someone like Wright. What does that tell me about Obama?
The Catholic church has had its problems, but if my pastor ever said anything like Wright did, no way would I belong to that parish or religion if need be. If there is a supposed Christian church that preaches that kind of crap, then news flash, that’s not Christian teaching and no way should be considered a Christian church.
Skiwolf,
It might indeed be a debate about which planet I am on (just ask my husband), but you may count me as someone who doesn’t believe Hillary is “evil.” I think she may be illin’ – and I can even hazard some guesses about what from – but that is a far cry from evil. Hitler was evil; Stalin was evil; Saddam and his two sons were evil. Hillary would have a long way to go to hit that threshold. She may be controlling & manipulative, misguided, even self-deluded. Evil? Not. Imus indulges in comedic hyperbole…and yes, I laugh out loud every time. I sense you’re indulging in hyperbole too (I hope.)
Hey Frec,
I’m not a psychatrist but I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
When Jeff Greenfield stated he thinks she talked herself into this (the Bosnia Sniper Fire) that it wasn’t an out and out lie, meaning this is something she convinced herself happened.
I got to thinking and Histronic DMS III comes to mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-IV_Codes
Oh yeah I commented on the view and obama you tube ChannleX posted and now I am in an argument, guess what I am being told? To get over it and nobody needs to apologize…Obama didn’t say GDA. No he just wants to be President of the GD Country.
Laree, I was totally scared to click on some of those links. I heard when you study abnormal psychology, you start worrying you have every condition.
Greenfield is probably not far from the truth. I’ve been hearing pundits call her a “liar,” but it was a more complicated fabrication than that. The implication is that a liar knows they’re lying; it’s something else when they actually believe it. I am beginning to believe the person most in danger of Hillary is Hillary. But I am still not ready to say she is evil. It’s like when Al Gore claimed he invented the Internet. Not smart, but not evil.
As to commenting elsewhere, I will stay here where it is “safe.”
Obama completely dodged the Imus question from Barbara Walters. He may think he answered it by taking his Imus- quote literally, and replying Rev. Wright is retired, so it’s not a valid comparison. I think they called that “parsing” not too long ago.
Here’s what Mr. Obama could have said to Barbara that might satisfy me:
“If the Reverend had not already retired, I would have made sure he “retired” immediately following revelation of his unpatriotic and racist remarks. ”
“As to Imus, in retrospect, he was judged harshly and unfairly, and the sum total of his 20 years of good works following his successful treatment for alcoholism should have been taken into consideration. ”
I am not putting these into the Block Quote format because they are not real; I made them up. It’s just what I would like to have heard, or something to that effect.
Here is where you can contact that nut from the “National Coalition of 100 Women” to make your voice known. If it is important to you.
http://www.ncbw.org/contact_us.htm
My comment to her.
Frec, this one’s for you:
http://www.mariewinn.com/marieblog/2008/03/
lolas-first-night-on-nest.html
Bruce,
great comment!
Frec, that link didnt work out well. When you get to the page, just go on the March 7 link.
Linda,
Thank you again. I had gotten to Marie’s page by googling what you had typed earlier. I have been sharing that and the photo page (palemale.com) with many of my friends, including one who just learned this week her cancer came back. Hawks and eagles are prayer messengers (according to Indian legend) and I knew that idea would lift her.
Have you gotten Marie’s Pale Male book? What is the signaificance of the cover illustration of Belvedere Castle and Shakespeare’s Garden? That’s where we hung out for quite a while during our Central Park hike. Perhaps I was in Pale Male Territory and didn’t know it?
Just to keep this “Imus” (lest I draw complaints for a non-Imus posting) is that near the Imus apartment? Or did Wyatt ever get his Eagle Report back from the teacher? Is Karith allergic to birds? 🙂
Her name was Lola, She was a red tail
High up on Central Park, And nesting after Dark
She would go hunt and ride the updrafts
and while she flew across the skies, Pale Male was at her side
They Flew from east to west, from hunt to nest
They were young and thy had each other
who could ask for more
At the Imus, At the Imus times
The hottest blog to discuss Don at times
At the Imus, At the Imus times
Imus and birding and all sorts of talking
at the Imus…
Frec, thanks for your response #38.
Of course, there is a certain amount of hyperbole. However, when I see, listen to either her or Bubba Bill, my skin just crawls with a sense of immediate rejection.
I can’t understand why others don’t get what these people are really all about. Maybe my ego is too big I guess I don’t know.
From Peggy Noonan writing in the WSJ.
“That’s what the Bosnia story was about. Her fictions about dodging bullets on the tarmac — and we have to hope they were lies, because if they weren’t, if she thought what she was saying was true, we are in worse trouble than we thought — either confirmed what you already knew (she lies as a matter of strategy, or, as William Safire said in 1996, by nature) or revealed in an unforgettable way (videotape! Smiling girl in pigtails offering flowers!) what you feared (that she lies more than is humanly usual, even politically usual).”
Sums up HRC’s “natural ability” to lie pretty well. I would call it compulsive or genetic.
http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
Good morning HQ….
Saw you as well as others from the I-Nation over on YouTube. Voted your comment up (click on the hands) seems someone else must have voted it down, because you are back at neutral..(0) For anyone else with a YouTube account you can go back and vote comments, thumbs up/thumbs down without commenting.
Obama on The View
(Warning – Some comments are nasty)
I guess I should post this on the other thread, but hey..if you all can post comments from other blogs on this one, I can thread hop. 😉
(Seriously, if I want to read the comments from another website, I’ll go there. Thank you for the links, now I can take it from here, really. But I digress)
Ginger, thanks for your explanation re: Hillary support. The only thing in your post that really distressed me was that you’re married. Ohhh..where were you when we were both single? lol
While I obviously disagree with your view about Mrs. Clinton, I can certainly understand what you’re seeing in her. I’m just not seeing it. I’m in the Skiwolf camp on that one.
Thanks again!!
skiwolf,
I think if it is genetic, there is a lay person’s discription for this she was born with bad wiring? Intelligence is not the sole signifier of mental health. Think about that movie starring Russell Crowe ??? a beautiful mind ? I am not comparing this mental illness. I am using this as an example of an intelligent person with a mental illness.
You know Obama is skating away from his Pastor, each speech he gets further away, the last remark about, I don’t vet my Pastor…well guess what we do vet our Presidents.
Obama started comparing his relationship to his Pastor as close as the one with his own Grandmother (his famous typical white person quote) and now you know what – he was just my Pastor that was his only influence.
Obama put the shovel away, talk about something else.
Frec,
My sister who lives in Prattville, Alabama is a counselor, she has a Masters in this field. This is the sister who threw the blanket over her shizit zu and covered her “tooties roll” when the tornado hit.
tootsie roll
Laree,
I hope your sister in Prattville and the rest of your family is recovering well from that recent devastation. It only takes a few minutes to destroy something, and then the rest of your life to build it back again. But sometimes you have the chance to rebuild it better. Gee, where have I heard that before??
Here’s a joke for your sister: How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? Only one…but the light bulb has to really want to change. 🙂
WRIGHT FROM MARCH 2007:
READ AT YOUR OWN RISK:
http://www.stereohyped.com/today-barack-obama-got-the-view-appearance-over-with-20080328/
ENJOY!
P.S., Ree, can your sister give us any professional insight into “what is wrong with that woman?” She is turning into a fascinating case study for me. I haven’t read Carl Bernstein’s book about her, but I want to…it’s supposed to provide insights into her psychological make-up.
Frec,
I can ask her what she thinks, I know when she was watching the Saddam drama play out before the invasion, she was bringing up she thought that Saddam had somekind of addiction? She thought he had either drug Cocain or alchohol addiction. I remember when they had Saddam in custody didn’t they survey his health and report on it? I thought and I could be wrong so please don’t anybody jump me but I thought he was said to have an alcohol problem? withdrawls?
Ski,
Thank you for that link to Peggy Noonan in yesterday’s WSJ. My Friday editions of the WSJ will be hit-or-miss now that golfing weather is here (i.e., my husband not going to the office that day). Too bad, that’s always my favorite issue with the weekend section and all… 😦
I can relate to the “skin-crawling” effect of certain faces or voices the instant as they appear on the tube…certain personalities on my formerly-favorite MSNBC come to mind…
Frec,
I really like Jeff Greenfield of the guest Imus has on, he is always on top of things. I don’t know how to describe it but Jeff Greenfield always brings his A game so when he is on, I pay attention to what he is saying.
PT,
Thank you for waxing poetic for us in the wee hours…you should publish that…oh wait, you just DID!
It really is a nice poem 🙂
Ski,
I just finished that Peggy Noonan piece and I am rotfl. My favorite part was the end where she quotes the news blog poster, G.I. Joe…let that be a warning or an inspiration to us all…we each of us here can be lifted by our powerful prose out of relative anonymity to a national stage at any moment. Scary 🙂
PT, you should send your lyrics to Marie Winn, she would probably love them!
Frec,
Did you check out March 7 log? It has the dates of first hatchings, anywhere from April 11 to April 18, according to year, which is also listed. Just go to my post and click the top link and that opens to an index page – click March 7 – it’s all there.
Not sure exactly where Imus lives, but I know it’s near Central Park. The nest is at 927 Fifth Ave.
Don’t know much about NYC, landmarks, etc.
I know that when everything was going down in December of 2004, Imus did mention about the nest and said they should leave them alone.
I also am a predator advocate my predator is the Wolf. I have heard recently that the Grey Wolf is loosing it’s protection status. This is dumb, first they could have let the Wolf come back on it’s own naturally let them range further into the Rockies from say Canada…without reintroducing the wolf artificially. We had wolf packs in the Mission Mountains, in the Bob Marshall Wilderness- “The Bob” My best friend has been sending me pics of some wolves who have started ranging in Glacier National Park. I don’t know if they came down from Canada? My point is they re introduced these animals back into the natural cycle and now they are planning on making a deal with ranchers ect..about how they can treat these wolves now…now that they are not protected anymore.
The Wolf, the big dog, that won’t lick your hand.
http://www.mind42.com/wiki/Wolf
If you scroll down in the last link I posted to this photo it describes the photo.
The wolf pack, the alphas are leading…now in a presidential eleciton cycle, who would we describe as the alpha canidate?
Here is a topic, talk amongest yourselves 🙂
You know people have described George W Bush as a dangerous predator….
amongst…geeze need a break.
Laree
Earthjustice and Defenders of Wildlife are two of the many wildlife organizations that I support, these two because they are advocates for the protection of wolves, earthlings at the very soul of my being. Earthjustice is a conglomeration of wildlife organizations. also HSUS Legislative Fund. And after all the work to get them re-established in Yellowstone! Can’t wait for Bush and his cronies to go!
Our choices for President – I can’t see any alphas there!
Linda,
It makes no sense to re introduce a spieces, then treat the speices to the same situation, that drove them to extinction in the first place…(removing the protected status) this has to be a govt decision because it makes no sense and is the opposite of a solution.
The wolves are a competitor but they belong in the cycle it is always a mistake to take a predator out of the equation. There is a purpose for all creatures.
Linda,
American Indian Totem Animals, check out the list if I have one I would pick the Wolf. I guess in this list it would be the dog.
http://www.legendsofamerica.com/NA-Totems.html
Who knew when Keith decided on an open thread it would lead to a thoughtful discussion on predators??? ThanX
Ree,
Do you belong to YouCare? I protects endangered or semi-endangered species?
I do. And from time to time I sign petitions and contact Government employees via a form letter. It is very good and it is free unless you want to pay a fee or donation.
Another benefit free or otherwise is you get greeting cards to send on special holidays to friends etc.
Hey all,
Thanks for the kind words about my Lola parody :). If you want to send it to anyone feel free.
Getting ready to move here. so I am kinda in and out (both mentally and physically).
PTB
ps has anyone heard from lenny?
Ree
They have the wolf listed on page 2.
Everyone,
What a great open thread for a non-Imus broadcast day…I say any posts with Western, wildlife, Native American, or other related themes all fit perfectly in the I-scheme of things.
The wolf is a noble creature. GWB and DC are not wolves; they are coyotes. But then, as Linda stated, there is a place in the universe for all creatures.
Ree, I’ve been looking for exactly a reference like you posted with the Native American symbols…I always find special meanings when an animal or bird comes to me and/or makes eye contact with me, as did my red-shouldered hawk this week. In fact, I had the same experience a week earlier with a coyote…instead of bolting away as they usually do, he stopped, turned fully around, and stared at me for five or more seconds. Chilling…and sure enough, “trickery” and conflict soon followed.
My totem is the turtle, an underestimated creature. One crawled from the creek to my driveway three Junes ago, and now lives happily in a 30-gallon tank I have for him and two females. I have since learned almost everything there is to know about red-eared sliders.
Well, this has been uplifting and a nice break. We can go back to Hillary-bashing now. Maybe I will try to figure out her totem.
LindainBB,
Yes, I did indeed check out the schedule of possible hatch-dates. I am putting my money on April 12 for this year.
PT, good luck in your relocating. Just don’t forget us in your new digs.
I have been wondering about that Lenny rascal too. Hope he is doing okay…maybe he got a new job and relocated too?
Oh I won’t linda, In fact I’ll be right up 611 across the bridge into Milford NJ from you. It’ll be the first time in years that I’ve ha my own kitchen so you and your (insert relationship/sig ot) of your choice will have to come over for dinner some time.
(that goes for just about anybody else)
PTB
Bart, Sounds like a good move for you – Congrats…
Perk! Did someone say “Hillary Bashing”. My favorite
topic/maybe obsession. I’m for it!
Bruce,
I am interested in YouCare, I just need to check their affilations. The Melungeon Researchers got a wake up when the MHA joined the Turkish Association. We are trying to get the word out anyone who read my post about Walter Ashby Plecker, under the Obama Rev Wright hypocrisy comments can understand the Melungeons have been used and abused over and over again.
By the way I sent them- the MHRG, the link to this blog and am getting nothing but positive responses, from people on the Melungeon Heritage Research Group. Melungeons standing up! Oh Joanne, was checking the Denham connection to Obama’s Denhams, she doesn’t see how anyone could connect Virginia state- Denhams of possible (Melungeon descent) to NJ Denhams it is a stretch and Obama’s mother’s family looks to be a different branch. Don Collins is matching DNA though he thinks it is the Bunches out of Bertie Co.,N.C.
http://historical-melungeons.blogspot.com/
Appalachia not just for Hillbillys anymore 🙂
This is Wayne Winkler his radio station is WETS this is about the little chicago blues festival being held in April.
http://www.etsu.edu/etsu/news_text.asp?Action=ListEvent&EventID=3788
Laree – As a point of clarification, Bertie Co. is in eastern NC, so not part of Appalachia. And by the way, we’re not hillbillys anymore. The half-backs have civilized us so we’re now hillwilliams.
mtnherbal,
I don’t know if I am tame enough yet, Hillwills maybe Grin. I always get politely corrected from other family historians, you know the accepted term is I believe Hillfolk but not me, I perfer Appalachian Challenged, no not really, I just think turning everything into a PC term is funny.
The DNA matching is going back to the Bunch family who was geographically connected to Bertie Co.,N.C. Let me find the link again it was Donald Collins commenting on Obama’s mother side of the family. His DNA is matching two of Obama’s family lines, that is from memory.
mtnherbal,
If you go back in this thread you will see Dr James Nickens a pubished historian, he was asking about Obama’s mother’s family the Denhams..Joanne replied later in the thread she doesn’t understand how someone could stretch a family line of Denhams out of New Jersey to the Denhams associated with the Chavez -Gibson line in Louisa Co.,Va. I admit I got excited those are the same Gibsons, I am supposed to go back to, through Major/Majer Gibson.
This is Don Collins replying to Dr James Nickens, explaining how he has a match to Obama’s family lines re his DNA contribution, associated to the Bunch family of Bertie Co.,N.C.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/melungeon/messages/24212.html
http://genforum.genealogy.com/melungeon/messages/24212.html
This is the link to the DNA match.
Laree,
As a genealogist, you probably understand the “degrees of separation” system that baffles the rest of us…when they start talking about “first cousins once removed” and on down the line. When they were talking about the candidates and their celebrity “relatives,” I was trying to tell my husband it’s a bit like saying I’m related to Adam and Eve.
My aunt and cousin are our family genealogists and I try to keep up with them. They have tried to explain the system to us, but my mind gets lost pretty quickly. Would you have links to “tutorials” that we can study?
Thanks in advance if you do.
frec – I’m no genealogist, but grew up being teased about “once removed”. It is basically what it sounds like. If my mom and your mom are first cousins, then you are one generation removed from your mom, so you and my mom would be first cousins once removed and so on. It is a generational step down. Hopefully Laree will point us to some good genealogical sites!
check out google.com
Frec,
Right off they are talking collateral lines, when they talk cousins. Your Great Grandmother’s cousin is your cousin but not your direct ancestor, your Great Grandmother is your direct ancestor, through the birth chain you, your mom your mom’s mom -your grandmother, her mother your great grandmother, then say she had sisters and brothers you are related to them by blood but they are not in your birth chain so not directly, they call them collaterals.
When you talk parent to parent back, through only grandparents whatever generation, that is your direct line.
Your collaterals are the people related to each generation by blood.
Me / my Mom/ her mom Grandmother/Her Mom Great Grandmother/Her mom 2nd Great Grandmother her mom 3rd Great Grandmother my 4th Great Grandmother ect..back.
Now this is my direct line straight back among these ancestors…but each generation, had sisters and brothers, and they had children now, I am related to them (by blood) they are my collateral family lines. They are not my direct line because they are not in the birth chain.
If you click on my name it takes you to my myspace page. I put up a blog just for people who wanted to try family history research, one blog is for Genealogy Research and then there is another one for joining historical societys.
I encourage people to join societys for one reason, when you apply and are accepted, your research is published and archived, this way when later generations are looking for their family lines, they don’t have to re do all the research over again, they have a repository, they can check to see if anyone had already researched their family. As a Family Researcher, looking up dead relatives, Everytime stdomsgirl post R.I.P it makes me smile.
What in the world are y’all talking abut? It ain’t Imus. 🙂
For djjack/Re: post 50
Okay, djjack, you had asked, and I just wanted to answer from my perspective. Thank you for the respectful discourse about it. I’m over the hill, I’m afraid, but thanks, you made my day!
Obama said what if someone takes the five stupidest thangs you said and play them in a loop–that would distort your image. BUT THAT’S WHAT THEY DID TO IMUS! No apology accepted from the I-Man! But Wright is the victim. And what makes me mad is that you guys are fine with that and NO ONE IS FIGHTING BACK!
WORD…………………
http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/03/barack-obama-on-view-dodges-question.html
ENJOY!
Laree – As one who has been “drug” through every cemetary in eastern South Carolina, I too can smile at RIP 🙂
We were surveying the collateral damage.
Spose there are some who will accuse google of being racist
Obama done pissed off McCain ’bout two years ago:
http://bloodthirstyliberal.com/?p=5553
Anybody remember this?
ENJOY…..
Google is NOT racist. 🙂
Mtnherbal your avatar looks good enough to eat! 🙂
Could not find “YouCare” on the net. The only org. I found close was “Because YouCare” which is a dog/animal rescue foundation, nothing to do with endangered species or threatened species.
Ree,
I need to put you together with my aunt and cousin; you talk the same language. I do think it’s fascinating and I don’t profess to understand it. But you’ve explained the “collateral lines” better than I’ve understood it before.
How ’bout this question: if my cousin’s son is my first cousin once removed, then what are my son and her son to each other…is that second cousins? I need to do a lot more work on this before I “get it…” Thanks 🙂
Sorry if this “ain’t Imus,” but it’s related to the “newsie” stories last week about Obama being “related” to Brad Pitt, and Hillary being “related” to Angelina Jolie, Madonna, and Celine Dion. “News” that should be debunked, I say, but most of us don’t understand family history, so we take what they report as fact.
The “bloodthirsty liberal” hit the Obama nail right on the head. Barrack is a phony as the I-Nation is well aware.
Obama positioned himself with moveon.org to defeat Hillary. What gets him the nomination won’t necessarily win the election. (Recall 28% of Hillary supporters polled said they will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee!)
mntherbal,
I have a chart somewhere it looks like one of those old fashioned (times tables) they would give you as a kid to figure out your multipilcation tables, example you want to know what 2 x 2 was you would go to the two on top and the two on the side and where they met in the middle the answer 4 they have charts just like that, that figure out your kin relationships. The Genealogy software I use, has the feature where you put in the people if they are part of your database and they figure the relationship out for you.
You have a 1st cousin once removed and here is how it would happen, for example, You and your first cousin once removed lets call her “Sally” Sally is your father’s first cousin, your father’s mother is Sally mother’s sister so Sally’s mom is your dad’s maternal Aunt- your grand aunt. Now they say Obama and Brad Pitt are 9th cousins once removed right? So take this math back 9 generations. Please don’t it will give you a headache.
I really don’t know why they started in with the fluff genealogy but it is the View. What would the ladys of the View focus on 🙂
Back to nature for a sec…they’re baaack! Bright and early, the first ruby-throated hummingbird showed up at my “no-feeder-up” kitchen window, peering at me with that inquisitive look that said, “WTF? Hey Lady, get the viddles out here now!”
I usually see them for the first time each year on April 1, but I guess Leap Year has them confused.
Frec,
You are truly blessed!
Ree,
Here is the information on what I called You Care. Well I was close.
Care2.com, Inc.
275 Shoreline Drive, Suite 300
Redwood City, CA 94065
http://www.care2.com
Maybe this is something you can explore.
Ree,
That is not the site for Animal activism. Will have it as soon as I get another post from them.
Everyone. Have a nice Sunday.
Hey laree,
How much of that Obama/Pitt being related is fluff? Or even Obama being related to Cheney? Could they really be related? If so, how much does it mean?
Holy Cannoli I-Fans,
She was telling the truth all along
Harley,
It is so far back the Obama – Pitt relationship, 9 generations, think of it this way, depending on say a 30 year olds age, their grandparents and great grandparents are possibly still alive. Now you are going way back, when you get to your 9th Great Grandparents and their siblings and who their siblings married and how you are still blood relation to those sibling’s offspring…the connection gets pretty diluted. I have an 8th Great Grandfather that was born circa 1722 his Dad was born in the 1680s..that would be one of my 9th generations time periods.
If somebody just stated, look here is Obamas and Pitts common ancestor, this means this is where they share a common direct ancestor, I would be more impressed. They don’t care who the common ancestor is, they want to tell us all about the fluffy part, they are somekind of cousins, way back in the ether of time 🙂 They are both in their 40s right, I would suspect then that the time period for their 9th generation is around the 1700s? I am just guessing.
On John McCain and his indignation over Senator Obama:
“I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions…”
Be very aware of this…because it will pick up legs in the future…
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/mccains_fec_problem.php
More on McCains’ Hypocrisy:
From the Washington post…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008022103141_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008022102994
By the way…not ALL believe ” Barrack is a phony as the I-Nation is well aware.”…in the I-Nation. There is plenty of dirt and ugliness out there to go around…including in McCain’s own “back yard”.
From the above Washington Post article:
“His campaign has already spent $49 million, federal reports show. Knowingly violating the spending limit is a criminal offense that could put McCain at risk of stiff fines and up to five years in prison.”
No person in this election is “squeaky clean”…and down into the dirt and mud we go….
“The Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s four-bedroom home in Tinley Park will feature an elevator, a large family room with a fireplace and bar, a butler’s pantry, a rubberized exercise room, a circular driveway, a four-car garage, a spare room for a future theater or swimming pool and a master bedroom with a whirlpool and custom shower as well as a fireplace and under-counter fridge, building plans show”
Rest of the story at:
http://www.southtownstar.com/news/866579,wrightforweb.article
……………..
Just a poor black man living in a society controlled by rich white people.
“Just a poor black man living in a society controlled by rich white people.”
LOL…yes, even some blacks can afford to live like our current 3 candidates running for the Nations highest position.
That IS a shame…. 😉
Welcome to America.
Many unscrupulous “White” Pastors have done far worse and lived at a much higher level…on “duped” peoples dimes.
Don’t make me name them…LOL.
…and they had done far worse…..
Keep beating the dead horse issue, just as many I-Fans have done about Don Imus’ new show…(while the Cowboy is trying to ride that poor horse…)…and see where that takes The I-Nation.
“Hillary Vows To Stay In Race 100 Years”
by Andy Borowitz (comedian)
from The Huffington Post:
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton stunned voters at a town hall meeting in Erie, Pennsylvania today by telling them that she was prepared to stay in the nomination fight for an additional century.
“How much longer will I stay in the race?” she responded to a voter’s question. “Fifty years? How about one hundred years?”
When asked to clarify, Sen. Clinton replied, “I’ll stay in this race for a thousand years. A million years. A billion years.”
Sen. Clinton added that she was refusing to announce an exit strategy from the race because “that would send the wrong message to the enemy.”
The New York senator’s comments echoed a strategy outlined in a recently leaked internal campaign memo, which calls for her to remain in the race long after the Democratic National Convention, even if Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill) becomes the party’s official nominee.
According to the memo, Sen. Clinton plans to follow Sen. Obama’s campaign bus around in a Chevy Suburban in the hopes of running it off the road.
“If necessary, we will sideswipe or ram into his bus,” the memo said. “Just really mess him up.”
For her part, Sen. Clinton remained resolute at the town hall meeting, responding to a question about the recent surge in negative attacks her campaign has lobbed in Sen. Obama’s direction: “What can I tell you? The surge is working.”
Elsewhere, to inaugurate the 2008 Major League Baseball season, former pitching great Roger Clemens threw out the first syringe.
Now…THAT’S funny, right there…don’t care WHAT you say!…LOL
Barrack has two standards for treating people who use offensive language. For Imus the standard there is no place for him in the national dialog. For Wright the standard is to consider his life in total, understand his generation has not let go, place the remarks in context and accept the video clips as aberrations.
Barbara Walters asked Barack directly to explain the difference in his positions regarding Imus and Wright. His partial answer Rev Wright has retired. This answer somehow excludes the point that Rev Wright will continue in a leadership role within the Church as “Pastor Emeritus”.
Sorry, In my Imus centric view of the world BARRACK is a PHONY.
OBAMA LIES IN PENNSYLVANIA AD
From NBC/NJ’s Aswini Anburajan
GREENBURG, Pa.– The Clinton campaign today accused the Obama campaign of “false advertising,” claiming that a recent ad Obama released in Pennsylvania was disngenous because Obama has been the recipient of more than $200,000 from the oil and gas industry.
In the ad, Obama says, “I’m Barack Obama, and I don’t take money from oil companies or lobbyists, and I won’t let them block change any more.”
Obama has taken $213,884 from the oil and gas industry as of Feb. 29th, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Sen. Hillary Clinton has taken $306,813 in that same period.
Two of Obama’s campaign bundlers are also CEOs for oil and gas companies, per a list released on his campaign Web site.
Robert Cavnar, listed as a bundler who has raised between $50,000 to $100,000 for the campaign, is the chairman and CEO of Mission Resources Corp., a Houston-based firm. George Kaiser, also listed in the same $50,000 to $100,000 category, is the CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Company.
“It’s unfortunate that Senator Obama is using false advertising to explain why he can be trusted to do something about energy prices,” Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said. “Senator Obama says he doesn’t take campaign contributions from oil companies but the reality is that Exxon, Shell, and others are among his donors.”
http://tinyurl.com/2on6dr
Draft Gore ’08
Hold on Media Matters For America just gave Maureen Dowd a sharp elbow, what’s that about: she is always intruding on our politics…what? “Our Politics” telling much? Isn’t Maureen Dowd a Dem?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803280010
Oh really!!! Check out the last link in last post, this is a quote from the above link. MMFA
Yeah, and others think Maureen Dowd is the stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics. Those people are right. As Bob Somerby explained in March 2007:
NOBAMA ’08
I decided to have a look to see how cozy Maureen Dowd is to the Republicans after reading MMFA peice, I thought she was Dick Cheney’s lost love child. What is in the water cooler at MMFA?
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkwyyEvBH59gA2MpXNyoA?p=maureen+dowd+republican&y=Search&fr=slv8-grpj&ei=UTF-8
PTB,
On your post about Hillary I know you were making a joke. This is the worst job of manipulating a Video that I ever saw.
And the person or group that put that out must have known it. Funny yes. But Hillary is still a liar.
Is anyone in this campaign clean as a Whistle? None of them.
Vote for the Best of the Worst and you cannot go wrong. My opinion.
Now on this oil contribution thing. Barack may have made an error, but most of the contributions came from Individuals not the Oil Companies themselves. MSNBC is trying to get ratings by emphasizing this.
Hillary is supported by the Pharmaceutical Companies, Big Oil and a myriad of dark figures under-handed people.
This will be the most interesting election I have ever lived through. If I live that long.
Also Channel Barack did dodge the question on the view. He made a strategic error for I-Fans. Just like the Woman from “The National Coalition of 100 Black Women”. She does not know who she is mixing it up with. No one cares about her 15 million members this Marva Smith Battle-Bey allegedly commands. Like they really matter in the real world. Racism is still in the background. And we must discuss it like Imus has with many influential African American guests.
See my latest YT video at
Post # 113…
“X” marks the spot.
PT,
Too funny! That video was high camp…somebody took Peggy Noonan’s “GI Joe” from her Friday Wall Street Journal item and turned it onto a movin’ pitcher show… :))))
Bruce 15 million people, is that all, I got people, what fantasy number should I pick GRIN. Oh I am not Dr Evil right now but if I was, it would be billion, trillion, gazillion, come on we all know, you can’t get two Imus fans to agree on everything, how can she get 15 million people to agree? How would one manage 15 million peeps? I mean we have 300 million in this country and George W Bush is treading political water BIG GRIN.
John McCain
The American President
Americans Have Been Waiting For
Oh I took a look now I know why MMFA went nutty on Maureen Dowd. They got no sense of humor over there..Maureen on the other hand well check out the title of her article.
“skinny guy with a strange name”, is that the same thing as a long-legg-ed mack daddy?
No matter who we line up for to vote, it’s still a crap shoot.
1. A Vote for Hillary could be a third term for BJ Bill and his charm.
2. A Vote for Barack and we do change our image, but doe we believe he has enough experience? And is he real or is he (A Reverend Jeremiah Wright) believer. Or is he the Devil in disguise as someone said.
3. And a Vote for John McCain. Do we spend another 500 Billion Dollars in Iraq or do we get out and leave a small force to help train the Muslims to fight for themselves?
Toss a coin Head you lose, Tails you really lose.
This is gone from Birds roosting to the down and dirty Politics that has ruined this Country. We need less Government and more action.
In my humble opinion this whole election process is a joke. A President is a President and that is it. He really doesn’t have as much power as we may think he has. All the houses of the Government control that. And in the last almost 8 years they have done a terrible job.
My opinion and I am sticking to it. I am voting for Howdy Doody.
here is something I have no problem voting for.
http://www.nypost.com/contests/headlines/vote.htm
Bruce, I think I’m actually agreeing with you for a second! You’re right. How much power does a president have anyway when it all boils down? Well, when I think about it in those terms, I sleep a little better at night!
Although the President doesn’t have a lot of power, he still was able to put up a smoke screen and get us involved in a war we should never be in – so in that respect we still need to be very concerned.
Stringer is not all THAT virtuous:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03302008/tv/primetime_103976.htm
Ginger,
We do not have any personal problems with each other. Guess we had/or I had a bad week.
If this great site cannot have diverse people with opposing views, then we are all in trouble.
Thanks for saying what you said.
Queen Pat
I read that article, the story no one dares tell.
Presidential power can be thought of not in terms of “issuing commands,” but the ability to influence people. It is exercised in terms of “leverage,” or exertion of minimal force to achieve maximum effect. “We the people” invest the office of President with its power to influence by the respect we give the office. The office-holder must re-earn the power every day by being credible and believable. Without our faith in him-or-her, the President has no power.
Regarding #107
In February 2008 the John McCain campaign decided to forgo federal funds for his campaign, formally withdrawing from the public finance system. The Federal Election Commission has been unable to consider his request due to a lack of quorum. (Congress is deadlocked over the confirmation of four appointees to the six-member commission.)
The McCain Campaign position for withdrawal is simple; the campaign applied for but did not receive federal funds nor did the campaign collateralized matching funds.
Note: Howard Dean withdrew from the Public Financing System under similar circumstances.
http://monicamemo.typepad.com/weblog/2008/03/an-inconvenient.html
Al Gore collecting trophys?
Times up
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/03/31/gray-lady-vs-jeremiah-wright-round-2-did-wright-intimidate-the-times-into-pulling-punches/
I wish Dwight Yoakam would cover this song it is my favorite,
Layne Staley “He sang like an Angry Angel” Tom Morello, Audioslave.
Don’t Follow
Obama’s grandmother (the one with the treads on her head), now 85, was a banking pioneer in Hawaii, other trivia:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008803300356
Obama’s white grandmother (the one with the treads on her head), now 85, was banking pioneer in Hawaii, plus other trivia:
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008803300356
Ree, HotAir’s Ed Morrissey poses this question regarding NY Times coverage of Rev Wrights dis-invite to the give the invocation at Obama’s Presidential Election.
This is one of the oldest tricks in the book. Get ahead of the story and complain often and bitterly regarding media treatment. The problem with this situation? The genie can’t stay in the bottle forever and eventually sees the light of day.
Seems like the tactic worked with the NY Times though.
ChannelX,
How about after Obama is elected? I was thinking once he is elected won’t Rev J Wright go back to being prominent fixture ?
The man married Barack and Michelle, baptized their children, why would after Barack was elected wouldn’t he go back to a revered status ? this is politics after all tell people what they want to hear.
They posted the results to the Greta Poll on Imus Truth it was 80% that thought Obama was being a hypocrite for treating Wright differently then Imus.
There are new pictures from the weekend of Pale Male at the website http://www.palemale.com.
He definitely got Matt Taibbi’s offending pigeon 🙂
Harold and Kumar escape from guantanamo bay, theatrical trailer should be funny.
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809837028/info
I watched the trailer and if the movie is as good as the trailer this is going to be a big hit…George W Bush they thought you two were terrorizers:) You got to watch the trailer to see what I mean.
This is the youtube trailer my daughter said this is better then the one I found on yahoo.
All,
The yahoo trailer is pretty clean but the youtube not so much this is a rated R movie, I had not watched the youtube trailer I assumed it had to be for all ages because it is a trailer.
So be warned alot of language and adult content in fact ChannelX check and see if it is too risky. I wouldn’t expect this trailer could be uploaded to youtube unless it met standards one shot states in theaters only so I guess it passed.
Like I said the first one the yahoo trailer is really funny, doesn’t youtube have to okay content? Anyone?
IS THE KOOL-AID THIS STRONG??????
http://fatherfredt.blogspot.com/2008/03/garlic-nose-for-obama.html
Wow…………………………
This is the approved trailer for everyone to watch. Not 2 explicit.
Thanks, Harley…for post #145.
His blog was well put, and in my opinion…he is a person of reason.
Regarding Post #134:
“McCain faces at least a political problem. More than anyone else, Sen. McCain’s name is synonymous with campaign finance reform (think McCain-Feingold). If he’s arguably in violation of the law, that will tarnish his reputation. He may be able to make technically correct arguments that he is not in violation, but the smell is bad.
Note: Hasen cites Mark Schmitt on a certain irony. Pretty much everyone agrees that the public financing system for the primaries is broken — the spending limits are too low and the payouts are too late (March). As Steve Weissman of the Campaign Finance Institute put it to me, the primary system in its current state is “basically only for losing candidates” — candidates without the fundraising wherewithal to really compete.
But McCain has refused to support efforts to fix the system, so in a way, he has himself to blame for the fact that the system is so unworkable that he’s possibly bent the rules to get out of it.”
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/mccains_fec_problem.php
McCain is not breaking the law, he is not bending the rules, he is abiding by the law and playing by the rules.
Seems interesting the “DNC Chief Complainer” Howard Dean also withdrew from the Public Finance System in 2004. Even more interesting is the Democrat controlled Congress has yet to appoint additional members to the FEC so a quorum can be realized and this issue and others can be settled.
As far as the McCain/Fiengold bill:
“In the end, Obama and McCain ended up on the outside looking in as Lott and leaders from both parties crafted a softened ethics package. It passed the Senate on a 90 to 8 vote on March 29, 2006. Obama and McCain — who wanted tougher legislation banning corporate flights and requiring the disclosure of lobbyists bundling donations from their clients, among other items — were among the eight “nay” votes.
“Everybody was posing for holy pictures. It was a lousy piece of legislation,” Feingold said, praising Obama for voting no even though his entire leadership supported it.
The bill died as the House and Senate deadlocked over their differing versions. Soon after the 2006 elections removed Republicans from power, Reid, now majority leader, brought Feingold and Obama back into the reform effort. By mid-January 2007, on a 96 to 2 vote, the Senate had approved a tougher ethics bill that included a total ban on gifts and meals, outlawed cheap rides on corporate jets and provided more lobbyist disclosure — almost every provision Obama and McCain had pushed for a year earlier. Both the House and Senate approved the final bill last summer.
In his floor speech Aug. 2, Obama noted that he and Feingold worked to make a tougher bill than the 2006 version, and offered only faint praise to McCain. “Last year, I and Senator Feingold and Senator McCain voted against it because we thought we could do better. So in January, I came back with Senator Feingold and we set a high bar for reform. And I’m pleased to report that the bill before us today comes very close to what we proposed.”
McCain opposed the final bill, saying it did not go far enough to prevent special-interest earmarked spending provisions in legislation. ”
Above from the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/30/AR2008033002401_3.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008033002513
New Thread – Imus Radiothon!
“McCain has refused to support efforts to fix the system, so in a way, he has himself to blame…”
McCain has been a key driver in Ethics Reform. His name on the top McCain/Fiengold is no accident. Johnny Mac went up against the power brokers of the Republican Congressional Delegation in promoting reform.
McCain’s position on this is completely transparent. His campaign did not receive any public funds nor did his campaign collateralize any loans with public funding.
What’s fair is fair – McCain played by the rules and there should be equal treatment for McCain and Dean under those rules.
Obama’s Finance Ploy
Is anyone surprised the holier then thou Obama would be in the thick of this?
Source | Wall Street Journal
“This is serious,” agreed Republican election lawyer Jan Baran. Ignoring the matter on the grounds that the FEC lacks a quorum, Baran said, “is like saying you’re going to break into houses because the sheriff is out of town.”
…and Howard Dean should have been held accountable also. 🙂
As for #154…
an editorial piece missing a name…(the author of the piece).
…what also was glaringly missing was the fact Senator Obama could not block the nominee that Bush put forth alone…there are many others….
…I found their names conveniently missing. 😉
There is nothing diabolical here. Obama has invoked a Senatorial privilege and intervened with a hold. According to the WSJ other Democrats have joined him.
There are many others, conveniently they are all Democrats. This is a great example of beltway politics and shows “Senator Messiah” is an inside player aligned with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Re: Post 131
Okay, Bruce..Thanks!
Ginger,
I thank you. The love of this site and the differences are minor. And though I come on strong I am not a Wolf out to eat you.
Make my opinions known. And then all Hell breaks loose. But now you know.
Politics is a very sensitive subject to some people as is Religion.
We/I must ignore those you do not agree with and support the ones you do.
Bruce, I don’t mind disagreement at all. It challenges us, makes us examine ourselves, and sometimes causes a change of mind. I just have to be careful to not lose my temper because I think I’m “right”. I never know if I’m really “right,” I just know where my head is at the moment based on my observances of what is going on around me.The thing is, we all come from different backgrounds and experiences so we are going to be different. Our forefathers were so correct in the philosophy that the “people/the majority rules”. It’s the fairest way. We all are such complex and unique individuals…the majority rules..which begs to bring up the subject…. why STILL the electoral college system and why can’t the winner take all in every primary?
I think this is a great site too! …full of interesting and informative people who keep forcing me to exercise what brain cells I have!